neutol 1+19, operating instructions

gertfritsche · 2009-08-24T19:02:55+00:00

guten abend allerseits, hier mal an die geschäftsleitung (und an alle anderen wissenden natürlich auch) ne frage: im shop steht beim adotol liquid wa etwa...

gertfritsche

Good evening everyone, This is for the management (and anyone else in the know, of course) A question: In the shop, the Adotol Liquid WA listing mentions a dilution ratio of up to 1+19. I’ve downloaded the Agfa SW manual, but it doesn’t go beyond a total of 1+11. But I can’t find any further information in the shop, nor on my bottle. Perhaps I’m just too blind, but I think I’ve gone through everything that might provide me with information. I’ve even studied the safety data sheet, without any real results. Where can I find out more? And here’s another question: When I search on Google, I often get links to ADOX.de pages. But when I click on them, I always just get a ‘server not found’ message. It’s a shame, really – is it just me? Or, if the site no longer exists, where on earth does Google conjure up these links from? It always leaves me feeling a bit confused. I’m really looking forward to the answer and send my best regards, Yours, Gert

uworischki

Hi Gert, Have a go at this: http://www.adox.de/ADOX_Chemie/page45/Adotol/Adotol_WA.html – I managed to get there without any problems. Otherwise – I use n113; I’m not familiar with Adotol. Best regards, Uwe

gertfritsche

Hi Gert, Have a go with this: http://www.adox.de/ADOX_Chemie/page45/Adotol/Adotol_WA.html – I managed to get there without any problems. Otherwise – I use n113, I’m not familiar with Adotol. Regards, Uwe

Hi Uwe, Thanks a lot for the link. Of course, as you can see from my second question, the link didn’t work. Then, just for fun, I removed the ‘www.’ and suddenly everything was fine. Can you see the page with the “www.”? Because the links aren’t working for me either. At least I’m on the Adotol site now; let’s see what information I can get out of it. Even if I always have to remove the www, it gets me some way there. And I’ve used the N113 so far too, and I’m absolutely satisfied with it. The appealing thing about Adotol for me is the one-time developer solution (hence the interest in the high dilutions). Thanks for now and all the best Gert

uworischki

Hi Gert, I copied the link directly from the browser window. I don’t understand why it isn’t working for you. Perhaps it’s down to the browser; I’m using Mozilla. My N113 is still from 1987... Best regards, Uwe

Wolfgg

Hello Gert, You might find it helpful to read what Agfa wrote about economy dilutions shortly after the introduction of Neutol liquid concentrates almost 40 years ago: "Economy dilutions are particularly cost-effective when large numbers of prints are processed daily and the tray contents are therefore used up quickly. Although the economy dilutions produce less stable solutions, in high-volume operations with a fast workflow and high developer carry-over, they allow for full utilisation of the developer’s yield and thus particularly low developer costs. To ensure consistent results, the amount of developer carried over should be replenished several times a day by topping up with the same solution. This method results in excellent uniformity of the development. Yield with economy dilution: approximately 4 square metres per litre. Shelf life of the economy dilution: should be used up within one day. Development time: 1.5 to 2 minutes." Regards, Wolfgang

gertfritsche

Hello Wolfgang, Thank you for the quote. As I said, I’m already experimenting in that direction. It’s just that the differing information is leaving me a bit confused: The ADOX.de website mentions ratios of 1+7 and 1+15 The shop mentions ratios of up to 1+19 The Agfa documentation refers to 1+11, and goes into great detail about a stock solution that you’re supposed to prepare, from which you then dilute further. And so far I’ve stuck to Agfa. What bothers me a bit is that no data is provided with the developer itself that one could refer to. But thanks again to everyone Yours, Gert

Hello Gert, Perhaps you’ll find it helpful to read what Agfa wrote about economy dilutions shortly after introducing Neutol liquid concentrates almost 40 years ago: “Economy dilutions are particularly cost-effective when large quantities of prints are processed daily and the tray contents are therefore quickly depleted. Although the economy dilutions produce less stable solutions, in high-volume operations with a fast workflow and high developer carry-over, they allow for full utilisation of the developer’s yield and thus particularly low developer costs. To ensure consistent results, the amount of developer carried over should be replenished several times a day by topping up with the same solution. This method leads to excellent uniformity of the development. Yield with economy dilution: approximately 4 square metres per litre. Shelf life of the economy dilution: should be used up within one day. Development time: 1.5 to 2 minutes." Regards, Wolfgang

Wolfgg

Hello Gert, I’ll add the dilutions now; according to Agfa: Standard dilution 1+7, density: 1.050–1.056 Economy dilution 1+11, density: 1.034–1.040 Economy dilution 1+15, density: 1.026–1.032 However, these figures are taken from documents dating from October 1970 (Neutol Liquid NE). Best regards, Wolfgang

MirkoBoeddecker

Hello Gert, Thanks for letting us know. We’ve now standardised the information and updated it in the shop. 1+19 is possible, but you really shouldn’t go beyond 1+15. Best regards, Mirko

gertfritsche

Well, that’s great, so everything’s back to normal. I wasn’t necessarily planning to go beyond 1+11 either, but I’ve been looking for the information that I’d overlooked. Apparently, I hadn’t missed it after all. 1+11 next week, and then I’ll see how it goes. Good night everyone, and many thanks Gert

Hello Gert, Thanks for pointing that out. We’ve now standardised the information and updated it in the shop. 1+19 is possible, but you really shouldn’t go beyond 1+15. Best regards, Mirko