Gossip about ADOX/Efke/Maco/Rollei

cfb_de · 2007-03-28T22:47:17+00:00

Hallo Mirko, aus Subject und Untertitel hast Du bereits gesehen, worum es geht. Schreib doch einfach auch mal drei Takte in Deinem eigenen Laden dazu. Dann...

cfb_de

Hi Mirko, You’ve already seen from the subject line and subtitle what this is about. Why not just write three bars of it in your own style? That would give us something to refer to and help counter any future nonsense. Thanks! Best regards, Franz

SCKStef

Hi Franz, Have I missed something here? Could you fill us in on what this is all about... Best regards, Stähne

cfb_de

Have I missed something here?? Could you explain what this is all about...

http://www.aphog.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...a05e982f3240f2b Best regards, Franz

Renate

Hi Franz, I couldn’t care less about your ranting sessions here on the forum; they’re completely pointless. I reckon others feel the same way about this rubbish. If you don’t like Mirko’s shop, then go and shop somewhere else, but please leave us in peace here. Best wishes Renate

cfb_de

I couldn’t care less about your grumbling sessions here on the forum; they’re completely pointless.

Hello Renate, Your comments also go right over my head. So: a draw. My comment to Mirko simply referred to the fact that Mirko is currently having a row elsewhere, which would be better dealt with here where he is ‘at home’. Where I shop (namely, among other places, very happily in Berlin, though I prefer to have someone else buy for me in the shop) is secondary. On a number of other fronts, I am far more productive in the field of black-and-white photography than you are with your formally offensive posts. And that’s without me even being a manufacturer. Incidentally, I am in no way offended by your post. That is why you are receiving a completely unemotional reply. That should actually be understandable to scientists. Best regards, Franz

noah11027

Well, I suppose I agree with Franz in that this discussion does indeed belong here. After all, Mirko – or rather his shop – is very deeply involved in this. I’ve read about the allegations elsewhere too; not that I believe there’s any truth in them, but I’d be interested to hear a statement on the matter. Incidentally, I find Robert Vonk’s (Fotohuis RoVo) behaviour utterly despicable – first making such allegations and then playing dead. I do find the allegations very serious; especially when someone is trying to promote a competing product, the thought quickly arises that this is a case of malicious slander. @Renate I can’t quite see how this is a ‘gripe session’ – what is that even supposed to mean? NoaH

SamuliSchielke

Hey guys, let’s keep this civil, please. As things stand, Robert Vonk claimed that Efke was infringing a Maco patent; Mirko then asked him to back up that claim with evidence, and he hasn’t done so. I can understand why he isn’t making a bigger deal out of it as long as there’s no substantive evidence from RoVo. It’s a bit of a mess, really. Hopefully it’ll be sorted out soon. S.

MirkoBoeddecker

There isn’t really much more to say on the matter than I have already said. Nor do I wish to stir up unnecessary controversy or drag this matter into the realm of falsehood. My response to the allegations and “remarks” made by Robert Vonk in the thread linked above is as follows: 1) According to all the information available to me, MACO holds no emulsion patents of any kind. 2) All rights to the development of the IR820 lie with FOTOKEMIKA. The film is a FOTOKEMIKA development. 3) The original Sensitizer did not originate from a German company but was merely sourced via the German branch of an American company. 4) The research and development centre for AgfaPhoto GmbH (in liquidation) was located in building E49, floors 2 to 6, in the Bayer Leverkusen Chemical Park, within sight of machines K and L. There was, of course, cooperation within the group of companies, but the statement “the research centre for Leverkusen was in Mortsel” is incorrect. 5) The emulsions for the Gevaert-Aviphot range (like all Gevaert black-and-white emulsions) are filled in a ZR (central agitator) system. All APX emulsions are designed for ZS (dual-circuit system) systems and, according to all the information available to me, are NOT transferable to a ZR system. Why so much misinformation has been posted on the above internet forum is beyond my knowledge. Please regard all my comments as a neutral rebuttal . Under no circumstances should the impression be given that an Aviphot is inferior to an APX, or that the Gevaert research department is inferior to that of the former Agfa in Leverkusen, or that it matters in which country the Sensitizer was synthesised, etc. I do not presume to pass judgement on this in any way. Nor have I made any comparisons to date between the films, Sensitizers (except with regard to their photographic effect) or even between the researchers. It is simply the case that much of what is written there is incorrect, and as some of the allegations are serious or the information misleading, a correction is required. I hope this brings the matter to a close. Best regards, Mirko

cfb_de

Hello Mirko, Thank you! I particularly appreciate your very clear points 2) to 5). I wanted to encourage you to share your thoughts on this very topic here in your own forum. In my view, point 1) is of rather secondary importance. It’s a shame that some of the other participants have allowed a certain degree of professional bias to creep in. Best regards, Franz