Christoph
Hello,
Apparently, there is an EFKE IR 820c that is identical to the former Maco IR 820. I read this on the website www.dr5.com.
Best regards,
Christoph
Petzi
The Maco IR 820c was manufactured by Efke! But that’s no longer the case. The film is no longer available in shops. Something new will be coming soon.
Best regards,
Michael
Christoph
Hi Michael,
Thanks! I knew the Maco IR820 was made by Efke, but I was really surprised to find out that it’s also sold directly under the Efke brand. I just happened to notice it. It was just out of curiosity. I’d like to try the Rollei Infrared as a transparency in the Foma kit. I just never seem to have enough time.
Chris
Klaus_H
The Efke IR820C is due to be available from tomorrow (5 March 2007) in the US from Freestyle.
When will FOTOIMPEX follow suit?
Best regards,
Klaus
noah11027
Well, that would be something, as the film produced by efke is the old 820c – the good one, so to speak. I’d be happy to start with 10 or 20 rolls of that. That film was my go-to for IR photography....
NoaH
cfb_de
A quick, casual browse on Agfa’s website in Mortsel provides all the answers, putting an end to any speculation. You do need to be able to read English, though. Or speak one of the local Belgian languages.
Best regards,
Franz
Klaus_H
Hi Franz!
Unfortunately, that’s not quite right! We’re actually talking about EFKE film here, not the ‘miracle weapons’ from Stapelfeld. Freestyle sells the EFKE IR820C from Fotokemika Nova.
Best regards,
Klaus
noah11027
... We’re actually talking about EFKE film here, not the ‘wonder weapons’ from Stapelfeld. ...
... and that is exactly what I was referring to. I quite like the ‘wonder weapons’ bit, by the way :D; it describes the new film, or rather the marketing for it, rather well.
The Freestyle website definitely has a link to the old datasheet for the IR820c/100 and IR820c/100 AURA. That would definitely lead me to conclude that it’s the old film. At ~$20, the postage isn’t exactly cheap, but $9.99 for the film is quite reasonable (it’s ‘only’ €7.10, after all :))
NoaH
MirkoBoeddecker
The film isn’t 100% identical to the old MACO IR 820, but it’s very similar.
We tried to bring it back last year, but without additional partners we couldn’t reach the necessary volumes.
Now, with Freestyle, it’s worked out. Unfortunately, they’re obviously selling the film off at cost again, just as they do with the other efke products. That’s a shame because it doesn’t help anyone in the medium to long term, but it’s good that the film has been brought back into production at all.
We’re expecting the next delivery from Croatia next week.
The first IR films will be included in that shipment. I can’t say at the moment whether we’ll be able to include sheet films as well.
Best regards,
Mirko
noah11027
Hi Mirko,
My opinion on this hasn’t changed. I think the film used to cost around €10 or €11 as well. I don’t know your prices, but if it’s around €10 or €11, I’d be happy to reserve 10 rolls for myself, 120s if possible.
I’ll be happy to share my experiences and results.
As I said, this film was the only real IR option in medium format. I really liked it a lot. So if it’s available, we’re in business :).
NoaH
PS: Does it come ‘standard’ with light protection or as ‘Aura’? The Aura would be nicer, but at the end of the day I don’t really mind either way....
MirkoBoeddecker
NoaH,
The film certainly won’t cost €10 here. Whether I would offer it for €6.00, including shipping and customs duties in the US, is another matter.
I think that, depending on sales volumes, the film will be priced at €6.99 (net) in the first year and then, if it sells well, perhaps €5.99 next year.
Best regards,
Mirko
Klaus_H
When will the film (120) be available to order, and at what price?
Kind regards,
Klaus
cfb_de
Hi Klaus,
Mirko did write: net price plus tax (19%) plus packaging and shipping. In Germany, ‘packaging’ usually comes to ‘0’.
And as for when… We’re still talking about things that haven’t happened yet. So, as soon as it’s available. Mirko’s crystal ball may be clearer than others, but it’s still just a crystal ball.
The film project he’s involved in (or the film project he’s *not* involved in – I’m deliberately leaving speculation about the material’s origin open) will unexpectedly kick him in the shins before long. Or maybe not.
Let’s be realistic: if several suppliers join forces and release a product...
- Then no supplier has any interest in disclosing the source.
- Then every supplier will only speak up once the product is available.
- Then no information will be revealed in the relevant forums. This is so that the various suppliers of one and the same product do not cannibalise each other.
- Then there are arseholes like me who chat from time to time. Because they aren’t involved in the immediate value creation.
No, I’m not saying anything about the new film right now. I’m only saying positive things about the TC27, which is a far cry from IR film. And in all the characteristics relevant to the customer, it’s just like an expensive premium product.
The ‘R’ rolls three times.
When it comes to specialist films, it’s also worth taking a look at Mortsel. They’ve got some top-notch stuff that, despite having the same spec sheet as other films, is still about a factor of 100 cheaper. In case anyone ever needs sheet films for cyan. The ‘factor of 100’ price refers to a German distributor. Near the Ruhr region.
Best regards,
Franz
Klaus_H
Hello Franz!
Statements such as “I think the film will cost €6.99 (net) in the first year, depending on sales volume, and then, if it sells well, perhaps €5.99 next year” do not constitute a price quote to me. As for the film’s availability, I assume that no crystal ball is needed to make binding statements about when the IR film will go on sale. I do not get the impression that FOTOIMPEX’s success is based solely on chance (they would then have six correct numbers every week), but rather that, despite all the inconsistencies, there is a clear concept and sound commercial principles underlying it. Consequently, my question “From when can the film (120) be ordered, and at what price?” remains valid and unanswered on the forum.
In fact, the film “Efke IR820c” distributed by Freestyle has this printed on it, and Freestyle announces on its website: “Freestyle has partnered with Fotokemika to bring you Efke IR820 (true infrared) film in multiple formats!” As long as the film is actually a genuine IR film and not a relabelled Erwachungs- or aerial photography film with fabricated infrared capability, I couldn’t care less whether the manufacturer is actually based in Croatia.
I’ve also taken a close look at the TC27; it’s almost useless for IR use. With a speed of approx. 3 DIN, an IR effect can only be hinted at. Otherwise, the film is OK. Stapelfelder’s IR wonder film does have a remarkably fine grain, but in terms of IR performance, when using the recommended RG715 filter in the plant green range, it falls drastically short of the Ilford SFX 200. The Kodak HIE sets the benchmark for these films. Unfortunately, it is only available in 135 format. In my opinion, the much-maligned SFX 200 is currently the only usable 120 film for IR applications (despite being suitable only for the very near-IR range). I hope that the Efke/ADOX IR820c can bridge the gap between the SFX 200 and the Kodak HIE.
Best regards,
Klaus
Postscript:
Hello Impexers! When will the IR820c be available and at what price?
MirkoBoeddecker
Hello Klaus,
35mm and roll films are due to arrive next week.
We hope sheet films will arrive too, but production is still ongoing.
The price for 35mm and roll films will be €6.99 plus VAT at launch.
It is a genuine IR film with a wavelength of 820 nm, produced by Fotokemika and sensitised with a new Sensitizer (the old one has not been available for three years).
This explains the slight differences compared to existing films from the same source.
Best regards,
Mirko
Klaus_H
Thank you!
Your order is on its way.
Best regards,
Klaus
cfb_de
Hello Klaus,
Mirko has actually covered all the essentials in a nutshell.
Including confirmation that his quoted price is at the lower end of the range he mentioned!
Cutting the sheet film won’t take too long either. With plenty of orders on hand, we should even be able to speed things up.
Best regards,
Franz
