Gast
Hi,
Which developer would you compare the new ADX to? Is it suitable for manual or automatic development? Do you have any estimated development times yet?
Cheers, Micha
cfb_de
Hi Micha,
Your question is difficult to answer, as there isn’t really any information available about the solution yet and Mirko is keeping a bit tight-lipped.
If Mirko doesn’t share any of his experience here, things could look a bit grim and you might have to test a two-bath developer (which can be a real pain).
So, Mirko: Which two-bath developer currently on the market does this product ‘roughly’ correspond to?
That would be a useful starting point for testing.
Just a thought for Micha – I’m already happy with HRX and Rodinal (Microphen when travelling).
Best regards,
Franz
Gast
If I’m reading this correctly, ADOLUX ADX isn’t a two-bath developer; instead, the two components are mixed together just before use. But *he* could still work out the times.
Regards,
Ferdinand
MirkoBoeddecker
Hello,
The development times are currently being tested for all kinds of film.
That’s why the developer isn’t available yet.
At the trade fair, we showed the first results, which were very impressive.
Bottom line: when it becomes available, the development times will be included.
There is NO comparable developer.
The ADX is a completely “new development”.
Ferdinand is right; two-component does not mean two baths.
It is a two-component developer.
In my opinion, it outperforms the HRX even in its improved version – but everyone must decide that for themselves.
Regards,
Mirko
MirkoBoeddecker
ADOLUX ADX is here!
We’ve received a whole large box full of them from the ‘Giftküche’.
The stickers are currently being printed, but we’re already shipping out copies.
Best regards,
Mirko
Gast
Hello,
Could it be that the ADX is similar to the new two-component developer from Spur?
asks
Detlef
MirkoBoeddecker
Well, well... the days of "IMPEX products are identical to" are slowly coming to an end.
We’re actively getting involved and constantly optimising our products and our range :)
It’s a bit silly of Spur to sell the exact same developer as ADOX for half the price... :(
But they are certainly comparable in how they work.
After all, both are two-component developers, and everyone who was there knows that Heribert Schain helped out at our Photokina stand....
Mirko
Gast
Well, well... the days of "IMPEX products are identical to" are slowly coming to an end.
We’re actively getting involved and constantly optimising our products and our range ;)
It’s a bit silly of Spur to sell the same developer as ADOX for half the price..... :rolleyes:
But they are comparable in how they work.
After all, both are two-component developers, and everyone who was there knows that Heribert Schain helped out at our Photokina stand....
Mirko
No matter how many smokescreens are thrown up here, all ADOX film and developer products are nothing more than re-labelled products that have also been brought to market by the respective manufacturers under their original brand names. There’s no price from SPUR yet, but I don’t think the SLD2525 30
marcpepper
No matter how much smoke and mirrors are thrown around here, all ADOX film and developer products are nothing more than re-labelled products that have also been marketed by their respective manufacturers under their original brand names. There is no price available from SPUR yet, but I don’t think the SLD2525 30
MirkoBoeddecker
Ferdinand,
What you're saying simply isn't true, and you can't possibly know any better.
Mirko
Gast
"... and you can't know any better than that."
I completely agree with you there, but if you're surprised by the speculation given such an "information policy", then I, in turn, have to be surprised:
8 Nov 2003: There is NO comparable developer.
10 Jan 2005: But they are comparable in the way they work.
Ferdinand
Gast
"What you're saying just isn't true"
The CHM films are FP4 and HP5, the CHS films are efke25, efke50 and efke100. You can check all this in the FOTOIMPEX catalogue. That leaves the FHM (IMO Fomapan 200) and the other two developers (IMO Calbe A49 and Calbe R09). If that’s not right, please correct me.
Ferdinand
MirkoBoeddecker
Ferdinand,
It’s not that I claimed all ADOX products are in-house developments.
Even if, for example, the A49 would be a borderline case. Without us – who account for over 95% of production – there wouldn’t have been an A49 since the mid-90s.
So what is the original and what is the copycat?
In terms of volume, the ATM 49 is the product and the ‘original’ A49 is a ‘secondary bottling’.
Things become even more ambiguous with Adofix. This fixer was formulated to our specifications and, in my opinion, is currently the best and ‘richest’ fixer on the market, alongside another product from a niche supplier.
So here, the composition was specified by us and it is again produced predominantly for us. If this fixer is now also coming onto the market in insignificant quantities under other brand names, which is the “original” product?
The ADX is, of course, comparable in its mode of operation to other two-component developers. Just as the Emofin utilises the same properties of a two-bath developer as the MZB.
The new Spur developer has completely different active ingredients to the ADX.
The ADX was developed in cooperation with Spur – but to our specifications.
My aim is to clarify that we no longer simply re-label whatever the market offers, but have for several years been actively promoting product development in partnership with manufacturers and even having some products manufactured exclusively for us.
This strategy will be continued wherever it makes sense.
The claim that “all ADOX film and developer products are nothing more than relabelled products that have also been brought to market by the respective manufacturers under their original brand names” is simply not true.
That is what I was referring to.
Mirko
MirkoBoeddecker
The ADX website,
in case you haven't seen it yet...
Gast
"The ADX was developed in collaboration with Spur – but to our specifications"
"Collaboration"?? Your choice of words is still top-notch, not to mention your product information policy, which at times seems as dense as Rumsfeld’s Iraq prose.
Best regards,
Detlef
Gast
Exactly! … whereas Dälef-Tsorro is already known far beyond the confines of this forum for the eloquence, poetry, stylistic flair and depth of meaning in his posts.
Gast
Why is it that I always end up thinking of MediaMarkt’s current advertising slogan whenever I’m here?
Gast
... because there is also a question mark at the end of the sentence
MirkoBoeddecker
What exactly is bothering you?
cfb_de
This discussion in its entirety.
Best regards,
Franz
