Urnes
Hi Mirko,
I’ve got a couple of questions about your presentation folders:
1. The sizes for the ring-bound inserts are 30x40 and 24x30. Will my standard prints fit in there without needing to be trimmed, as they’re 30.5 x 40.6? Although I reckon that if you’ve had them made for yourselves, you’ve probably designed them to be oversized. Right?
2. I haven’t been able to find the price for the presentation books with fixed-page binding anywhere. They’re not in my catalogue at all, and I haven’t found anything on the website either.
Regards, Sven.
MirkoBoeddecker
Hi Sven,
The sleeves are the same as Panodia’s. They come from the same factory and are designed for photo formats.
We had the ring binders made elsewhere, but not the sleeves themselves.
Everything works perfectly without cutting, but if you want to ‘fill’ the front and back with Museum Weight Super Thick Classic, you’ll need to trim off half a millimetre; otherwise, it will fit, but might warp slightly.
The price is in the catalogue, which you can download from the website.
At the moment, the introductory prices still apply: Book €14.50, 24x40 ring binder with 10 sleeves: €17.98 (all prices incl. VAT).
Best regards,
Mirko
Gast
Hi Mirko,
You wrote:
"It all works perfectly without cropping".
Yesterday I received the Adofiles, 24x30 and 30x40. The uncropped images don’t fit into either of them (tested with Agfa MCP, Tetenal VU, Tetenal VC, PW-14); the long sides of the sleeves are 3–4 mm too short.
I find that rather disappointing.
Andreas
Gast
Could this be because the paper dimensions aren’t exact – for example, 24 cm × 30 cm – but rather 9.5 × 12 inches, i.e. 24.13 cm × 30.48 cm?
Best regards
Ferdinand
MirkoBoeddecker
Andreas,
Baryta paper or PE paper?
Baryta papers may expand during processing and may therefore need to be trimmed (depending on the circumstances).
Our papers fit perfectly – at least the ones we’ve tested.
We have no control over the dimensions of the sleeves.
This has been the Panodia standard for many years and everyone uses it.
All other suppliers also provide these dimensions.
Of course, it is 24 x 30.5 or 30.5 x 40.6
I’m not entirely sure where your 3mm difference comes from at the moment....
Best regards,
Mirko
Gast
Hi Mirko,
Yes, it was PE paper (apart from the PW-14). I’d actually just measured the paper beforehand and compared the different types I have to decide on wheels for my new Dunco frame.
The 24x30 ones are actually 30.5 and the 30x40 ones are 40.6; so ‘standard’.
Ferdinand, I’m well aware that the papers are larger; but these are specifically sleeves for ‘photo formats’ and not A3 or anything like that.
I’m pretty gutted that I can’t fit the pictures I’ve enlarged with precisely adjusted margins into them now. Trimming them to size won’t work well.
I don’t need a portfolio where I have to crop EVERY single picture just to get it in.
Andreas
MirkoBoeddecker
Andreas,
Well, I still don’t quite understand.
So far, I’ve only had to trim a few PW14 prints because the paper is so thick that it buckled when I put two prints in each sleeve.
All the other photos have fitted perfectly and the sleeves are the right length.
If they were any bigger, the pictures would slip around – they’re deliberately made to fit exactly.
After all, I’ve filled about 20 portfolios myself (examples and presentation).
Please do measure how big your papers are and whether they’re exactly the same size before and after development.
Do you perhaps dry them hanging with a weight?
Best regards,
Mirko
Gast
Hello Mirko,
I dry the PE papers in a drying rack.
My Agfa MCP 24x30 (PE) is exactly 30.5 cm long. Before and after.
I placed two pieces of photographic paper in the sleeve, pushed them as far apart as possible, and measured the width. 30.3 cm.
The Tetenal Vario Comfort (PE) is exactly 40.5 cm long, the Tetenal Vario Ultra 40.6 cm. Doing the same with the pieces of photo paper gives a width of 40.4 cm, which is also already a tight fit.
If I force a single (!) sheet of PE in anyway, I end up with a pronounced wave.
It simply doesn’t fit.
Andreas
MirkoBoeddecker
Hello Andreas,
I can see your point about the one millimetre. My comment above was mainly about the fact that it’s not just 30 cm, but 30.5 cm according to the ISO standard.
Unfortunately, the standard allows for deviations of plus or minus one mm. So if the sleeves are now 30.45 mm in size and the photographic paper is generously cut to 30.55 mm, you’d have to trim off one mm. That shouldn’t normally be a problem. Of course, if you’ve worked very precisely to the edge and have already finished the series, it can become problematic.
I was mainly surprised by the 3–4 mm you mentioned.
As far as I know, all European manufacturers use the same sleeves, and these cannot be made larger without investing in a new machine.
If you can find sleeves anywhere that are larger, let us know and we’ll try there too.
You can, of course, also exchange them if you’re not satisfied.
Best regards,
Mirko
Gast
Hi Mirko,
Andreas is right in that the clear side of the sleeves – I’m talking about the loose-leaf ones here – is actually smaller than the black side, which naturally leaves about 4mm exposed. Apparently, though, this is intentional to make it easier to insert and remove the pictures. I have to say that I find this rather annoying too, because not the whole print is covered. But as I produced the prints for the portfolio myself, it wasn’t a problem for me to leave enough margin to cut away later.
Regards, Sven.
MirkoBoeddecker
Sven, Andreas,
All I can say is: when I noticed the issue with the 320-gram Polywarmton, I went to the manufacturer and asked if they could make the sleeves bigger. He said that was the standard size for Prat/Panodia and that he’d need at least 500,000 units for a special production run.
So I drove off again :-((
At least Forte and Foma cut a bit more ‘sparingly’, so it works out fine that way :-))
Mirko
Gast
Hi Mirko,
Otherwise, I’m completely happy with the Adofile. Mainly because of the value for money. By the way, I don’t really understand the issue with the Polywarton; surprisingly, despite the thick backing, my 24x30 prints fit into the sleeves just as well as the other prints.
Best regards, Sven.
